I'm thinking about doing a big project with my Eetsit. It's slightly banged up, but nothing bad at all. I want to get it ended, blasted, and re-anoed. The question I have is what order to do it in. In my mind, it was Ending, then blasting, then anodizing. Is that correct?
Also, would beadblasting get rid of any dings/marks I put in the yoyo?
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11-15-2009 07:26 PMOriginally Posted by Kaz
11-15-2009 07:32 PM
Ending, satin, ano'd, blasted.
In general terms, body modifications, preparation for anodizing, anodizing, blasting.
The satin would take out the dings and marks. And the ano will mask them even more.
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11-15-2009 07:46 PM
I don't think blasting after the ano would work out very well. Wouldn't that get rid of all the ano? I'm pretty sure the ano part comes last. Wasn't sure if I had to prep the yoyo at all (satining) for blasting. Also wasn't quite sure if blasting would affect any of the ending done to the yoyo, especially the bearing seat area.Originally Posted by Kaz
11-15-2009 07:55 PM
The End mod can be done at any point before anodizing. Bead blasting and satining have to be done before anodizing because they will remove the anodized layer of metal if done after wards. The bearing seat and response area is masked before bead blasting so the Ending and bead blasted can be done in whatever order you want.
11-15-2009 08:02 PM
I wasn't sure if I should get the "ending" blasted or not. Wouldn't a blasted response area help to keep the silicone in?Originally Posted by Kaz
11-15-2009 08:17 PM
I'm actually consulting Ricerocket about modding right now. I'm not sure if the beadblasting would basically nerf the effect of the divots in holding the silicone down. Oh, and if you're reading this Ricerocket, I ran out of my alloted PMs for the hour. I shot you a pm on a certanin "other board"
Last edited by Isaac; 11-15-2009 at 08:23 PM. Reason: We're not stupid...Originally Posted by Kaz
11-16-2009 05:56 AM
I think ending your Eetsit will eventually END up like this.
Yep its an Eetsit.
Also the sili grove is actually very shallow. This is why I turn down all requests on doing this mod. I don't want that on my conscience.
Ditch Down in my town.
11-16-2009 06:49 AM
Does anyone know how the surface of an Eetsit or Bape reacts to satining or beadblasting? I wanted to know since I wasn't sure if it would effect the weight of the yoyo, or anything else for that matter.
As for your Eetsit, I'd say end it if you want, polish, blast, then ano. I've done this with some yoyo's (except the ending part) and it all worked out groovy.It's been a while.
11-16-2009 06:54 AM
Anti yo yoyo's are made of the same metal as the rest of them.
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11-16-2009 08:46 AM
Ricerocket does the sili-recesses thinner and with divots so as to prevent the walls from folding in like that.Originally Posted by Kaz
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I can't honestly say there is any truly safe way to silicone an eetsit.. the walls are thin and I personally wouldn't take the risk.
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11-16-2009 04:26 PM
This recess is barely deep enough to even hold the sili. The divots would end up punching through IMO.
If you wanna take a chance on destroying your Eetsit then by all means go for it.
After you get it done and you break it then send it my way and I'll hub mod it for ya!
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11-17-2009 12:33 AM
TBH, Id just get a proper bearing seat put in and JUSSSSTTTTTT flush recess a pair of duncan silicon stickers.
You would blast is before ano, ofcourse.JYC Founder and Werrd Alliance Member
11-17-2009 07:13 AM
Ending Eetsits is a risky business... from the modder's point of view and the owners once it's done.
Eetsit walls are <0.007" thick in the pad recess when they start out. Attempts to cut a viable groove leave the wall behind the groove <0.003".
The undercut edges and divot holes in the floor of the groove help to make a shallower groove hold silicone better. In the end (get it?) you're making the yoyo more fragile and prone to bend-or-break-age.
Blasting too? This sounds more frightening. Blasting can easily remove material making the walls even thinner.
Icthus, on the subject of not doing these mods... I don't blame you.
Back when they came out, Anti-yo approached me to make a batch of siliconed Businesses and after measuring the stock wall thickness at ~0.006", I refused the job.
It can totally be done... but I wonder about the risk vs reward.
I'm proud of The End yoyos, but it was a learning experience, let me tell you.
FeralparrotThese are just toys, folks. Wonderful, addictive, beautiful, skill toys.
11-17-2009 01:33 PM
How much thinner would blasting make the walls? Even though everyone seems worried about it, I've actually only heard of two siliconed eetsits getting broken (Abner and Zammy). Are there more cases of this? B/c it seems to me that more often than not the yoyo will stay together.Originally Posted by Kaz
11-17-2009 04:37 PM
Two out of how man though dude?
I imagine alot of them don't receive play.JYC Founder and Werrd Alliance Member
11-17-2009 08:50 PM
The Wood Dwarf did one or two also. The End was very limited. Not sure of the count. FP can tell you though. Also there are very few people that would even do this to an Eetsit.
I'll say the odds of it breaking are better than you think.
Ditch Down in my town.
11-18-2009 11:33 AM
Yep, after all is said and done, about the only mod I'd have done on an eetsit is to fix the bearing seat.
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11-18-2009 01:21 PM
I've done about 40 of these mods (23 on Raw Eestits for The Ends) and the rest on Eetsit/Bapezillas.
I cut through an all white Eetsit (and replaced it from my own collection), I've heard of two breaking and I've had a few sent back to me bent (I was able to bend them straight believe it or not).
As for 'ended' yoyos getting play... I'd say that most The Ends are display yoyos that might get a few hours of play in their lifetime... while 'Ended' Anti-yos are probably played a healthy amount.
I'll still do the mods.. I just inform the client that :
- it's going to weaken the walls
- it might need re-silicone-ing after lots of play
- disaster could happen during the mod-work
- the vibe/wobble may decrease or INCREASE when it's all said and done.
The vibe thing is because the yoyo halves were matched/tested for smoothness. Once we remove material from the seats, the halves will seat closer together and thus not be rotationally aligned the same as they were when originally matched.
(to illustrate this, put small marks on both halves across from one another... do the mod and re-assemble... the marks are no longer matched... they could be as much as a half-turn apart.)
OH... as for blast-material-removal?... who knows how much the blast-artist could take off. It depends on the blasting medium, pressure and the 'artists' technique.
With Aluminum oxide and high pressure, you could blast through the walls of an Eetsit in a matter of seconds!
Not to scare you too much... :^)
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