Thread: How Responsive is good for learning?

I keep reading posts where people say to not be afraid to learn new tricks responsive.

How responsive is responsive? I honestly believe Mach5 to be impossible with my Speed Beetle or Raiders. Maybe it is not, but it seems the gap just isn't wide enough, or they are just WAY too responsive.

If I put my least responsive bearing in my Hitman or Mini Motu (both with recessed silicon), then even my non yoyoing friends can easily get them to return. Plastic Whip seems impossible (can you do plastic whip with a responsive yoyo?). A slight tug is enough to get them to come back, but, the gap is still wide enough that Mach 5 seems easy. So maybe this is still not ideal for learning?

With the same bearing in a stock closed gap kickside, Mach 5 seems impossible, but I can manage every few tries... But this seems TOO responsive, and anyway, I've recessed my Kickside and Mach 5 seems easy on it now.

What I'm wondering is if it is responsiveness that is important for learning tricks, or if it is really responsiveness and gap width. Is it sufficient that they are easily tug responsive? I was thinking of unsiliconing my Lyn Fury for new trick practice, or picking up a second Kickside (or a KOS when they come out) to leave stock and responsive.

Learning a trick with a responsive yoyo forces you to throw straight. Keep in mind that most tricks were first done/developed on responsive yoyos.

I personally haven't tried Mach 5 with a raider or a speed beetle, but I know a lot of people who can hit some of the craziest tricks on either.

Also, Plastic Whip IS possible to do on a responsive yoyo.

All I can say is just practice. :]

Responsive trains you, it is good for learning. Unresponsive spoils you and you won't feel snag. Responsive will make your tricks smoother

And I learnt Plastic whip on a responsive yoyo, lacerations and brent stoles are oh-so-possible.

if you play responcive you will be a much better player. you have to get a good steady consistant throw to when you attempt tricks or you will get a wicked bite mark when the yoyo jults back up and jams your finger. it can help smooth your play out so you look good and your tricks flow to geather and look as if you were doing one long trick.

the more responsive yoyo you can use to do a trick, the better you are at that trick.

So, If you can do a trick easily at the current responsiveness, make the yoyo more responsive and try to do the same trick. Or have a few yoyos setup with different responsivenesses.

ive hit a few plastic whips and lacerations and mach 5s on my overresponsive fhz a few times, tho often enough i find the gap being small on mine and it snagging on the slightest of slack its nearly impossible.

most important seems to be to keep the yo moving and keeping the string busy with whatever so slack is less likely to form around the bearing.

with whips and lacs i found i had to pull my trowhand a little and feed string when needed, but imo to learn those things, it wont make you smoother using a responsive yo, because it requires more work and it looks worse imo

tho on normal string tricks it may help you improve. tho i still think its a matter of "ever" having trown a responsive.. if you start out "spoiled" your trow might always have been bad, or your moves a bit choppy without you noticing because the yo will sit there untill its get binded

Originally Posted by JRyouK

the more responsive yoyo you can use to do a trick, the better you are at that trick.

So, If you can do a trick easily at the current responsiveness, make the yoyo more responsive and try to do the same trick. Or have a few yoyos setup with different responsivenesses.

Well, I guess everyone's answers can be summarized as: "play as responsive as possible". I definitely do gerbil better now that I can do double gerbil on my responsive hitman... but kwijibo is just useful for knuckle bruises. So I guess I'll use that for now, and when I can do all tricks with it, and then maybe make something more responsive.


Thanks!

I've done a mach five on a raider and I did boings on a Speed Beetle So I don't know wutcha talkin bout.

If you want to learn whips or lacerations, when you make the slack, keep all the slack out of the gap, and it'll be fine
you can do lacerations on a duncan butterfly if you use poly string

damn you boing on a beetle ? im practicing trapeses with one now and its a ton harder :P tho i havent cleaned mine and they die out in seconds atm hehe

The trick for me doing plastics whips on a responsive yo-yo is to not throw too hard,keep the string centered and very slowly do the trick.If you arent slow enough it will come up.My throw monkey would always pop back and whack me hands with new stickers when I was a begginer.I now use 1 very cut duncan used sticker.But,it all depends.